How a ban on bottling alcoholic beverages in plastic can improve the quality of life of Russians? Why is plastic packaging dangerous? Vladimir Soloviev and Anna Shafran discussed this and much more with the chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights Pavel Shapkin on the radio

Saffron: Pavel Sergeevich Shapkin, Chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, is in touch with us. Good morning!

Shapkin: Good morning!

Soloviev: Pavel Sergeevich, explain, here is beer - for understanding, and mineral water - what to do?

Shapkin: Mineral water simply dissolves less dibutyl phthalate, which is released from plastic containers ...

Soloviev: That is, interaction with alcohol is necessary there, right?

Shapkin: No, it dissolves better in an alcohol mixture, but, nevertheless, it is still impossible to exclude the release of dibutyl phthalate into water. Try it yourself, say, narzan in a plastic bottle and narzan in a glass bottle. Two completely different flavors. All the same, dibutyl phthalate is released, unfortunately, just in smaller quantities.

Soloviev: And I’ll tell you even more interesting, you will laugh, my good friend Philip Gross-Dneprov writes: “I studied why the taste of Coca-Cola differs in plastic from cans. plastics get into the drink or beer and the taste changes. "

Shapkin: It is not plastic particles that get in, but just the plasticizer - dibutyl phthalate - gets in. It is used to give elasticity to this polymer.

Soloviev: Horror. By and large, we are being bullied, and have we never paid attention to this?

Shapkin: Dibutyl phthalate belongs to the second class of hazard. And as the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko has repeatedly stated, dibutyl phthalate causes toxic hepatitis, which is especially dangerous if it is repeatedly ingested. True, he said this when he fought against Moldovan wines. Now he somehow shows more restraint. Dibutyl phthalate destroys the endocrine system. In the West, there is a whole company against dibutyl phthalate, in particular, at one time it was banned from using it in nail polish, in children's toys. This is a terrible thing.

Soloviev: And, in my opinion, on the contrary, the class. The easiest way to get rid of alcoholism in Russia by bringing alcoholics to death is through the use of plastic containers, that is, is there such a logic?

Shapkin: You know, we have a turning point in 2013 in terms of the demographic situation. Since this year, we have started to decline in population. Our mortality rate exceeds the birth rate, and this is according to both pessimistic and optimistic forecasts. These data are published on the Rosstat website. Then there will be a rate of population decline to 8% per year by 2030 ...

Soloviev: That is, we are again falling into a demographic pit?

Shapkin: Yes. This is no longer a pit, it is already a point of no return.

Saffron: Abyss.

Shapkin: Unfortunately, dibutyl phthalate, entering the body of a pregnant woman, causes underdevelopment, including of the reproductive organs in children - both female and male. And we get what we get, including people with various disabilities.

Soloviev: And the state is not going to bother on this topic?

Shapkin: You know, for some reason, the growth rate of plastic production is simply frantic, that is, plastic packaging is 14% in 2012.

Soloviev: Are dairy products produced in plastic containers, children's water in plastic containers?

Shapkin: Yes, but if we take it simply in terms of production volumes, then somewhere 70% goes to beer and 5% goes to other types of alcoholic beverages.

Soloviev: It's alcoholic. And what about non-alcoholic?

Shapkin: And non-alcoholic - everything else, about 40%. There is less dibutyl phthalate, but it is forbidden to use it for bottling water, baby food, yoghurts in these glasses ...

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"News"

Exclusive "NG": The developer of alcohol policy will be nominated for the presidency of the Russian Federation

Pavel Shapkin, chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, head of the Center for the Development of National Alcohol Policy, told Nezavisimaya Gazeta about his decision to self-nominate himself as a candidate for the presidency of Russia.

Pavel Shapkin, if elected president, promises to introduce the election of judges and reform the law enforcement system, replacing part of the police personnel with conscripts. In addition, it is proposed to elect district police officers and heads of local police departments.

Legal vodka sales decline

The fight against illegal alcohol in Russia is yielding results. The closure of clandestine factories, a ban on the sale of alcohol-containing liquids, and an increase in excise taxes caused tectonic shifts in the alcohol market. Statistics show an increase in the production of legal vodka by almost 20%. But consumption cannot grow at such a rate, and therefore Russian vodka poured into exports, which are growing at a faster pace.

Booze and boobs - for the presidency

That's what makes me happy. No, not only beautiful and curvy women will run for president of Russia in 2018. We have already written about this. The stars of the official screen Ksenia Sobchak, Ekaterina Gordon, Anfisa Chekhova, and not so official, but loved by the male population, Elena Berkova, announced their nomination for the presidency.

And recently the regions have tightened up. News came from Chelyabinsk. The former host of frank weather forecasts on the STS-Chelyabinsk TV channel, Larisa Sladkova, also intends to run for president of Russia. A gorgeous woman in outfits that are pretty open to the world. It turns out that she was previously offered to head the local Sobchak headquarters, but this is not so - she, according to her, has her own career. Well, big boobs are big politics. She had already tried to run for the State Duma from the Party of Pensioners, but withdrew the candidacy. Apparently, the pressure rose from the sight of the pensioners.

Putin was offered to replace a quarter of policemen with conscripts

Pavel Shapkin, a well-known alcoholic lobbyist and, more recently, consumer rights activist, faced with the arbitrariness of the security forces, decided to try himself in the role of a police reformer. He turned to President Vladimir Putin with a proposal to introduce alternative service to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. According to his plan, the guys who do not want to serve in the army and carry ducks for the sick on the alternative will happily put on police uniforms and go out to patrol the streets. Regular rotation of alternative law enforcement officers will hinder the development of corruption ties in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Shapkin's colleagues and experts believe that, being pushed out of the alcohol market, he is trying to find application of his lobbying skills in new areas.
link; http://www.rbcdaily.ru/ society / 562949986752355

Medvedev is asked to ban PET containers for all food products

In a letter from the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights (available to RBC daily) to Dmitry Medvedev, the chairman of the organization, Pavel Shapkin, expresses extreme concern about the growth rate in the production of PET containers (made of polyethylene terephthalate). According to the union, in 2012, the production of plastic bottles in Russia increased by 14%, to 452 thousand tons.
link: http://www.rbcdaily.ru/market/ 562949986270777

Consumer Rights Union asks to ban plastic bottles

“It has already been proven that this is a rather dangerous poison, which belongs to the second class of danger, that is,“ very harmful substances, ”Shapkin said. "The plasticizer dibutyl phthalate is released into food products, especially into alcoholic products, as it dissolves better in ethyl alcohol."
link: http://www.m24.ru/articles/ 14736

President of the MPBC "Ochakovo" wrote an open letter to Dmitry Medvedev

Pavel Shapkin, chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, joined the unprofessional struggle against PET (Mr. Shapkin also runs the Center for the Development of a National Alcohol Policy). He went even further, proposed to exclude PET in principle. According to him, in the production of containers, a toxic plasticizer, dibutyl phthalate, is used, which "is released from PET containers and goes directly into food products, primarily into alcoholic products." In the synthesis of polyethylene terephthalate, the formation of dibutyl phthalate is impossible at all stages of the production chain. Mr. Shapkin's statement about the release of a toxic substance into food, in my opinion, casts doubt on his professionalism and suitability for his posts.
link: http: //www.pivnoe-delo. info

Pavel Shapkin: The imported products contain half of the periodic table.

At the same time, Pavel Shapkin sees one of the problems of a similar situation on the product market in the policy of retailers and chain stores interested in cheaper and lower quality goods. The laboratories at their disposal, according to the expert, are mainly used for selfish purposes as a tool of pressure on suppliers.
link; http://www.firstnews.ru/ articles

Consumer advocates demand a complete ban on the use of PET containers

The National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights (NUZPP) has made a request to Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. In their letter, they pointed out the harm of PET containers for the environment and human health. The chairman of the union, Pavel Shapkin, expressed extreme concern about the constantly increasing rates of production in Russia of PET containers (made of polyethylene terephthalate).
link: http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/ h? v = ET5kTqE9lRck% 3D + bL93Tg% 2Fh6Ac% 3D

All is fair in the fight for the market

Pavel Shapkin, president of the newly formed National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights (formerly the head of the National Alcohol Association), went further and proposed to ban the use of a plastic bottle for the entire food industry. On behalf of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, he sent a letter to Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, in which he insists on a complete ban on the use of PET packaging in the entire food industry.
link: http://nvo.ng.ru/regions/2013-03-21 / 5_rynok.html

A possible ban on the use of PET containers will lead to mass layoffs, the president of the Russian Union of Chemists believes

As reported, in March, the President of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights Pavel Shapkin (at the same time - the head of the Center for the Development of National Alcohol Policy) wrote a letter to the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev, in which he proposes to introduce a ban on the use of PET containers for the production and sale of food products, citing on the non-environmental friendliness of this type of packaging.
link: http://unionbeer.ru/index.php/ 2012

The level of tetracycline in Russian products is exceeded 10 times

"Tetracycline is one of the antibiotics that can be found in meat, dairy products, eggs," Pavel Shapkin, Chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights told the Russian West. of consumers, penicillin, tetracycline, streptomycin and chloramphenicol were found in milk, which is the most common in the Russian Federation. Antibiotics are present there at the maximum permissible threshold values, noted Pavel Shapkin, Chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights.
link; http://www.greemetal.com

On the eve of the event scheduled for the end of the month, Pavel Shapkin, the former head of the National Alcohol Association, and now the president of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, sharply criticized the use of plastic containers for alcohol and food products in general. He told reporters that he intends to seek the complete withdrawal of PET from production and, moreover, the closure of enterprises producing plastic containers as unsafe for health.
link; http://www.bescargo.ru/rynok- pet-golos-protiv

Milk with tetracycline

Rospotrebnadzor introduced norms for the content of tetracycline in food at the level of 100 μg / kg. This is 10 times more than the Soviet norms. Pavel Shapkin, chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights, comments on the event. By and large, our agriculture will not lose from joining the WTO, it is at the very least protected by the government. However, first of all, judging by the decisions taken by Rospotrebnadzor, he will lose our health. In this situation, the rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves, therefore, according to the chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights Pavel Shapkin, people should have access to information about how much antibiotics, pesticides, etc. are contained in a product. The content of preservatives, antibiotics, pesticides and others should be included in the list of mandatory information.
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Milk Kills By Pavel Shapkin, Chairman of the National Union for the Protection of Consumer Rights. Tetracycline is a good thing: adding antibiotics like it to food increases their shelf life, and enriched feed for animals and poultry stimulates growth. Apparently, therefore, Rospotrebnadzor introduced norms for the content of tetracycline in food at the level of 100 μg / kg. This is ten times more than the Soviet norms. One bad thing is that tetracycline is harmful to health, and its use, even for medical purposes, is now limited. “According to the data of scientific research carried out in Russia, admissible residual amounts of tetracycline in food products have been proposed at the level of 100 μg / kg. This level is justified as safe, not leading to an increase in the risk of developing diseases associated with residual amounts of tetracycline in food, including among the most sensitive populations, ”the Rospotrebnadzor said. Prolonged use in food of products containing residual amounts of antibiotics can cause adverse consequences for human health - allergic reactions, dysbiosis, the formation and transmission of resistant forms of microbes. According to the guidelines approved by the USSR Ministry of Health in 1984, the maximum permissible daily intake of antibiotics in the human body with food should not be within the range of their sensitivity (for tetracycline, penicillin, this is 0.01 U per gram of product, or 10 μg / kg). The revision of the norms is associated with Russia's accession to the WTO. Our sanitary standards (since Soviet times) were more stringent than the WTO requirements. However, in the last ten years, systematic work has been going on to "correct" them. For example, mandatory certification has already been canceled for food products. It is possible to obtain quite officially a declaration of conformity with the established requirements of products in hundreds of private companies for 2 thousand rubles. within an hour without conducting confirmatory tests. In the Russian technical regulations for milk, adopted in 2008, there was a ban on the content of antibiotics in milk and dairy products. However, in 2010 the technical regulations were "finalized". By the second reading, deputies Denisov, Khairulin, Berestov, Itkulov, Nefedov, Tsvetova, Taranin and Starodubtsev passed an amendment allowing the presence of antibiotics in dairy products, including those intended for baby food. Thanks to them, penicillin, tetracycline, streptomycin and chloramphenicol can be found in almost all dairy products sold in the country. And all the antibiotics in one cocktail at once. The maximum threshold for the content of these antibiotics in both milk and meat products established by the technical regulations is taken from the same Soviet methodological guidelines of 1984. But lowlands, for example, and other antibiotics, you can "pour" as much as you like - it is not regulated. It is profitable for food manufacturers and retailers to trade in shelf-stable products. In addition, antibiotics are good growth stimulants for animals and birds (weight gain increases up to 30%). One problem is that microorganisms that are responsible for the assimilation of food also live in our body. How can milk with a shelf life of six months be normally "digested" in the stomach in 3-5 hours? However, Rospotrebnadzor is already ready to "assimilate" tetracycline and 10 times more. And gladly recommends it to everyone.

A new scarecrow has been thrown to the Internet public, which has already caused active indignation in the blogosphere. It's about the statement of a certain Mr. Pavel Shapkin, the head of a certain "Center for the development of a national alcohol policy." Mr. Shapkin horrified compatriots with the prospect: "The price of a bottle of vodka in Russia by 2020 can reach an average of one thousand rubles"... So he said in an interview with "Interfax" that many media outlets immediately reprinted, and, after them, many bloggers. The most old ones have already remembered the classic rhyme from Brovenos' times:

“Today vodka is five, but eight!
We won't quit drinking anyway!
Tell Ilyich - we can handle ten!
Well, if there is more, it will be the same as in Poland!
If there are twenty-five -
We will take the Winter one again! "

How it was there in Poland, by the end of the reign of Dear Leonid Ilyich and the heyday of Lech Walesa - read Wikipedia, who does not know.

Some bloggers have dreamed of such prices for vodka by 2017. So that, then, the people revolted exactly a century later, after - there is a historical grace in this. In addition, vodka riots have already happened in modern history - in the same Sverdlovsk ().

It is gratifying, of course, that the majority of compatriots are so optimistic and so confident in the future - they are frightened by the prospect in 2020 (!) To deny themselves an extra half liter due to exorbitant prices. By the way, the “forecaster” Shapkin somehow bypassed the question - what will be the general price level in 2020? And also - what will be the level of salaries? Well that changes a lot, doesn't it? Well, as a crisis, hyperinflation, salaries will begin to be calculated in millions (it already happened, yes), then 1,000 rubles per bottle is nothing at all. Until 2020, there is still a lot that can change. Especially in our very dynamic and unpredictable time. Therefore, in general, "forecasters" love such distant times - not everyone will survive the winter, who will remember these forecasts in so many years? Therefore, the prospect of being shocked to receive fair reproaches is greatly reduced.

But, yes, God be with them, with distant times, there is something else interesting! Who cares so much about the health of the peoples of Russia? Who is worried that "The unprecedentedly tough regulation of the alcohol market and the fact that the price of vodka may rise to 1 thousand rubles by 2020 suggests a rather serious activation of the shadow market"?

As mentioned above, this is a kind of "Center for the Development of a National Alcohol Policy". Nice name, large-scale. It hints that she is not just concerned about national interests, but is, as it were, empowered to do so. This Center is located in Moscow (of course), on Bolshaya Yakimanka Street, house number 24. All information from their website. And more on this site about the mighty national center is nothing to learn. A humble site that looks like a news aggregator. And, in general, he is.

The National Alcohol Association is a non-profit organization established on a contractual basis by independent legal entities to represent and protect the rights and legitimate interests of its members.

Organization leadership:

Shapkin Pavel Sergeevich - President of the NAA.

Directions of the organization:

The main purpose of the creation of the NAA is to protect the rights and legitimate interests of producers, participants in the turnover and consumers of alcoholic beverages, as well as to assist state authorities in organizing a civilized alcoholic beverages market on the territory of the Russian Federation and counteracting the penetration of substandard products into it.

This very NAA was located at the same address: Bolshaya Yakimanka, 24.

It remains only to look at the composition of the founders of the "National Alcohol Association"

Closed Joint Stock Company "Okv-Neva"
Limited Liability Company "Trading House" Rusimport "
Limited Liability Company "Vinkor"
Closed Joint Stock Company "Group of Companies" Sever "
Closed Joint Stock Company "Capital Trust"
Closed Joint Stock Company "Firm" Astra-m "
Limited Liability Company "Service Inter M"
Limited Liability Company "Serebryano-Prudskiy Distillery"
Limited Liability Company "GB Holding"
Limited Liability Company "Alfa-Eco"
Closed Joint Stock Company "Trading House Vestor"

In general, a solid "Tefal, which always thinks of us."

I guess it's not worth drawing conclusions - is everything clear? People care, yes. True, not about the fact that the population will switch to surrogates, but about their own profits. Holy cause ...